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Pantsuit Politics

Drug Use and the Compassion Trap

Pantsuit Politics

Sarah & Beth

Society & Culture, Politics, News, News Commentary

4.64.8K Ratings

🗓️ 22 July 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Today, we're sharing our conversation with Stanford University College of Medicine researcher Keith Humphreys about his research on what went wrong with post-COVID and post-George Floyd drug policy, and how communities can effectively support people in recovering from addiction.

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0:00.0

Lemonada.

0:02.7

This is Sarah Stewart-Holland.

0:16.8

This is Beth Silvers.

0:17.7

You're listening to Pantsuit Politics.

0:19.6

Everyone here is floating down from a truly spectacular weekend in Cincinnati, where we celebrated 10 years of making this podcast. It is an indescribable joy to be in person together. As Sarah said, we don't really like the word parasycial because the people who listen to our show tend to listen

0:37.6

over many, many years. And they start to email us and comment. And then we eventually get to hug you

0:43.3

and say, oh my God, you're Theodora. I loved the poem that you wrote during the meditation series. Or,

0:49.2

yes, you are Victoria and you're a doula. I remember. And Brady, I'm so proud of you for making that career move we talked about ages ago.

0:57.6

And for Sarah to alarm the entire room because she screamed so loudly when she met Liz Kay after so many years in messages.

1:04.7

So if you're new here, welcome to a group of people that is so much greater than Sarah and me.

1:09.8

I hope that someday you'll tell us that

1:11.6

you met new best friends at one of our events. This weekend was smooth and happy for so many

1:16.5

people because of months of behind-the-scenes work and a weekend of all hands-on deck.

1:21.8

Christy Matthews, a longtime executive producer, blew everyone away. She organized a retreat for our executive producers

1:28.3

complete with a welcome party, a pool party, tours around Cincinnati yoga, hospitality rooms.

1:34.0

Christy crushed it and was so calm and generous and thoughtful in the process.

1:39.6

Elise, our managing director, is a true force multiplier. She does the work of three people, and she brings out the best in everyone she interacts with. I can't begin to list everything she did. Just know that if at some point you thought this was really great, you can probably trace it back to Elise. Maggie, our community engagement director, engaged the community. She loved meeting so many of you in person and chatting with so many of you online.

2:02.6

My friends, who I have to shout out by name, Maggie, Jen, Brian, Shannon, Malia, Sarah's family, my family.

2:09.5

They were also phenomenally supportive. Our executive producers helped out in a ton of ways. They hosted group dinners.

2:16.5

They worked the photo lines.

2:17.8

They checked people in. They sold merch. It took a village. And it was extraordinarily special to me.

2:24.0

So if you were involved in any way, if you came, if you watched, however you participated,

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