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Drug Cartels do not exist w/Oswaldo Zavala and Alex Aviña

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The Red Nation

History, Society & Culture

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 2 March 2026

⏱️ 96 minutes

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TRN Podcast host Nick Estes live in conversation with longtime friend of the show Alex Aviña (@alexander_Avina) and Oswaldo Zavala (@oswaldo__zavala), the author of Drug Cartels Do Not Exist: Narcotrafficking in US and Mexican Culture

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0:00.0

I'm I'm Hi, my Godhaeim.

0:31.6

This is Nick Estes, co-host of the Ryan Nation podcast.

0:45.4

I am honored to be joined today for this special podcast roundtable with two guests.

0:59.3

We have friend of the show recurring guests, Alex Avina, as well as Oswaldo Zavella, who is going to be talking a little bit about his book, Drug Courts Do Not Exist.

1:02.2

And we are, you know, we're going to be talking a little bit about the recent events that

1:07.4

happened this week in Mexico, when Mexico security forces killed. What was billed is

1:13.3

the nation's most wanted man, the leader of the Halisco New Generation Cartel, a man who goes by the

1:20.5

name El Meno. This happened on Sunday. There was about 70 people who were killed in this raid

1:26.8

and in the aftermath, and it occurred

1:29.6

in retaliation strikes and violence occurred in more than a dozen states. So we're going to be going

1:35.8

over that, but also connecting it to broader sort of regional issues that are going on in the United

1:42.2

States' interventions, particularly in the Caribbean,

1:46.7

with its war on so-called narco-terrorism. But without further ado, I would like to have my guests

1:55.2

introduce themselves. Asvaldo, if you want to introduce yourself and talk a little bit about

2:00.4

your work. Well, thank you want to introduce yourself and talk a little bit about your work.

2:01.6

Well, thank you for having Nick, to having us.

2:05.6

And I'm a professor of Latin American literature and culture at the City University of New York.

2:11.6

I'm also a journalist.

2:12.6

And I've written about the drug work from the perspective of cultural studies, doing archival

2:18.9

work on the official discourse that has been deployed to justify and legitimize the militarization

2:26.0

of Mexico.

2:27.4

And my two latest books try to reconstruct the history, the intellectual history of how this language that we keep

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