Hey, it's Rachel Cook, your modern mentor, and I am so excited to share today's episode with you.

You know, there's been a lot of buzz these days around the concepts of inclusion and belonging,

and we know they are important drivers of employee engagement and retention.

We all want to feel that experience of being included and have that sense of

belonging. And we want to help to create that same experience for colleagues and team members around us.

But how to make that happen sometimes? It can feel really mysterious. I had the opportunity to speak

with Bain and Company's Julie Kaufman and Nishma Gosrani about these

very topics. Julie is Bain's chief diversity officer and the leader of their global diversity

equity and inclusion practice. And Nishma is a partner in Bain's financial services practice

whose work focuses on human capital transformation and the future of work and culture.

Both Julie and Nishma bring a wealth of data-backed research and their own personal experience

to the table in this really rich conversation around what truly drives the experience of

inclusion and belonging at work and what actions any of us can take as leaders or just regular citizens in the room

to amplify those experiences for ourselves and for those around us.

Julie Kaufman and Nishma Gosrani, thank you so much to both of you for joining me on Modern

Mentor today.

I am so excited to be talking to both of you about your research.

Excited as well, Rachel, thanks so much for having us. Oh, absolutely my pleasure.

So I would love to start with both of you on a little bit of background. So, you know, I know for

me, before I started my business, I spent years working in corporate HR back in the day when

the focus was really on diversity.

And it was about checking boxes.

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