Okay, I'm pulling on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for another drive to work.

Okay, so today, I'm going to talk about one of the very first sets I ever worked on.

Now, I did a podcast on alliances, which was the very first set I worked on. But alliances, like I said, was, there was a billion people.

I had 13 people on the team, something crazy.

Mirage was the first team in which I was a major portion of the team, the development team.

Remember, I was hired not as a designer, but as a developer.

So in my early years, I did a lot of development.

So Marage, so what happened was,

I talked about how R&D has different waves,

sort of think about the people that were there.

So wave one of R&D mostly were people that were playtefters in the original magic.

So we're talking about Scaf Elias, Jim Lynn, Dave Petty,

and the tail end of that would be Charlie Catino, which I'll talk about today.

Wave 2 people I consider to be the people that came in the next sort of two years in,

with me, Bill Rose, Mike Elliott and William Jockish, and Henry Stern.

Although Henry, Henry wouldn't start until Tempeth,

so he wasn't there yet.

But, so, wave two, what happened was,

wave one was there, they had worked on magic.

Wizards got big enough that all the Wave 1 people

went to work on other products or left the company.

And so they brought in this new wave of people, Wave 2, to sort of take care of the day-to-day

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