I'm pulling out of the parking lot. We all know what that means. It's time for another drive to work.

I got to drop off my son at camp again. Okay. So today is another in my series, 20 lessons, 20 podcasts.

So this is based on my GDC speech that I gave, talking about the 20 different lessons I learned in 20 years of making the same game,

magic, obviously.

So lesson number one, I already did.

I talked about fighting human nature.

Fighting against human nature is a losing battle.

Lesson number two was aesthetics matter.

Number three was resonance is important.

And number four was use piggybacking. But number five, which is today's talk, is don't

confuse, interesting, with fun. Okay, so let me, this is a pretty complex topic. And then one of the

nice things about doing a podcast is sometimes in my speech, like I had like, you know, three minutes

per topic, so I would

have to sort of go through it.

This lets me stretch out a little bit, talk about it a little more depth.

And this is definitely one of the lessons that I think will, having a little more depth will

help quite a bit.

Okay.

So what do I mean when I say, don't confuse interesting with fun?

So first, let me tell my story.

Each of these, I start with a magic story.

Okay, so the very first set I ever led was Tempest,

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