Drawn Out Democracy (with Adam Kinzinger)

Hacks On Tap

David Axelrod & Mike Murphy

News, Government, Politics, News Commentary

4.8 • 7.7K Ratings

🗓️ 5 August 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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This week, Axe and Heilemann are joined by former Congressman Adam Kinzinger — Air Force veteran, author, and one of the most candid voices in Washington. The guys try to help Axe make sense of the Sydney Sweeney controversy, unpack the latest drama at the Department of Defense, and dive into inflation, job numbers, the Texas redistricting adventure, Trump’s foreign frenemies, and so much more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hey, pull up a chair.
0:10.4	It's Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy.
0:27.1	I'm the monthly job before, going forward, why should anyone trust the numbers?
0:28.6	Well, that's a big thing.
0:29.2	You're right.
0:30.2	No, you're right.
0:32.5	Why should anybody trust numbers?
0:35.6	You go back to election, election day.
0:39.2	Look what happened two or three days before with massive wonderful job numbers trying to get him elected or her elected, trying to get whoever the hell was running
0:45.4	because you go back and they came out with numbers that were very favorable to Kamala.
0:52.0	So, Heilman, first of all, the last jobs report I went back at looked at in October of
0:59.4	2024. It was terrible. It was terrible. It was really bad. And all this year, whenever
1:07.6	they got good jobs numbers, these guys embraced them. And it's like,
1:12.4	you find yourself saying, maybe the guy's not on the level. You know what I mean?
1:17.5	First, I bet's occurred to you? Yeah, I'm a late adopter. I'm a late adopter. But I'll tell
1:23.5	you one guy who's experienced this is our old buddy former congressman adam kinsinger
1:30.8	who my uh my discussion partner on cnnnn often uh and a courageous example and a rare one
1:41.4	of someone who was willing to stand up to Trump within his own party.
1:46.8	You know, we should have listened to Adam. We should have listened to him earlier. He kept telling
1:49.8	us, David, that Trump was not on the level. And we kept saying, oh, Kinsinger, he's just, you know,
1:55.2	lying and complain and bitch and moan. I thought it was because he wasn't made Secretary of Defense.
2:00.7	Right. Right. Right.
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