Hi, hi, hi, welcome to fat mascara.

A podcast about beauty culture.

I'm Jen Sullivan.

She's Jess Matlin.

She'll be here in a minute.

It's Friday.

It's interview day.

So happy Friday.

Before we get into it, this is where I like to, you know, read some reviews, see how we're doing with the fam and ask you if you have a minute, maybe you clicked on this episode, you don't know us, but you love Bianca Del Rio.

Well, if you enjoy what you hear, or if you don't, you have some constructive criticism, we ask you to go over to Spotify and there's a comment comment section there. You can comment on each episode

or on Apple Podcasts. I think the majority of you are still listening on Apple. We get reviews there.

They help us be discoverable to more listeners. So throw us a review on Apple. I'm going to go in

right now and let's see what the latest is. Okay, two days ago, AJB says, all right, this is five stars.

Okay, not sure how I feel about the headline, but five stars, fluff for smarties.

This is a very light topic podcast, the beauty industry, but it is handled with humor and intellect.

The host are as relatable as beauty editors can be.

Tushet, yes. They always have smart insights served with a side of humor. I thoroughly enjoy every

hour spent with the show. Thank you, AJB. And then Abercadabra says five stars also. Amazing. I love that. Required reading,

parenthetical listening. And the quote is, I work in skincare education and I'm constantly

sharing out episodes to my team. In order to stay relevant in beauty, you have to think about

beauty culture holistically. Oh, very true. And that is kind of what we do here at Fat Mascara.

And to that point, I think today's interview is a good example of that. We like to call this

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