Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantine Kissen. And this is a show

for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people. A fascinating guest we have

for you today. He was the chair of the Commission which produced the race and disparities report.

Dr. Tunisal, welcome back to Trigonometry. Hi, nice to come back again after my debut.

Yes, a few years ago. Your debut was a couple of years ago. And then rather more relaxed

circumstances. You guys are coming up in the world instead of us. So have you done it?

Yeah, well, you know, it's been a bit of an interesting ride since I last saw you.

It has. I mean, you are an education consultant. That's your thing. Generating genius is the

charity. That's what we talked about last time. And since then, the government asked you to produce

a report on racial disparities in the UK. You produce the report. We had one of your commissioners,

Mercy Marokki on the show to talk about it. But we were keen to have you back. And thank you

for coming back to talk to us. What's it been like for you, first of all, just on an individual level?

Because that report was not that well-received in some reports. Well, that does not mean

it's doing quite well there. If he's not there. No, I mean, the people who need to receive

the government. Yeah. And I think that we want them to sort of obviously try to

record, you know, put all of the recommendations in place. But we're not a taxi for the government.

I mean, and they're going to find those recommendations tough and challenging.

For me, it must have been me. I think in terms of trying to explain

what happened over that period, I think that misunderstanding might be one way of looking at it.

But I do think that, you know, one of the interesting things about that is that

I don't know how many people actually read that report. I mean, who reads reports in the end?

And it's quite interesting that, you know, government commissions, lots of these things,

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