What the common psychopathic, which is a dissocial personality disorder, that's common. That's not unusual.

The estimate, when we look at this, is around one in 200 people. That's what I'm saying. It's common people. Exactly.

Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kitchen. And this is a show for you, if you want honest conversations

with fascinating people. Our brilliant guest today is a consultant psychiatrist and the author of a number

of very influential books, including The Chimp Paradox. He's worked with Lee Athletes. He's worked with

psychopaths. His latest book is called The Path Through The Jungle. Dr. Steve Peters, welcome to

Trigonometry. Thank you for inviting me. It's a real great pleasure to have you on. As I mentioned,

some of the things that you've written in the past have been incredibly influential in our culture,

the way we think about personal development, performance, anxiety, all sorts of other things.

But before we get into all of that, for anyone who doesn't know, you have a very big international

audience. Who are you? How are you where you are? What has been the journey through life that

leads you to be sitting here talking to us? Okay, in a minute. Yes.

Doesn't have to be a minute. Take your time. Take your time. I'm a consultant psychiatrist, so I'm a doctor,

a medical doctor, and I trained in mental health, having gone through the system. And then eventually

ended up doing work with psychopaths, as you would closely call them. But before that, it worked

a long time in the NHS, the consultant, and I'll be working with people with anxieties, depressions,

many of the common illnesses that we recognise, and I ended up in forensics. On the back of that,

I sort of decided to explain to people how their minds function, because what I found a lot of

people came through the door didn't need a doctor in my opinion. They needed to understand

themself, understand what was going on in their head, certainly didn't need medication. And so that

led me to working half the time with medication, half the time with a model, the chimp model,

to try and get people to start managing their minds, emotions, thinking, behaviors, and it escalated.

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