We have discovered that instead of trying to persuade people why or how they should change

It's far better to basically to create a conversation in which they do it for themselves.

And in order to create that conversation,

you need to come alongside someone

and you need to view them as a person who's got the motivation inside them and the strengths inside them. All right.

Welcome back or welcome to the Finding Mastery Podcast. I'm Michael Jervay and by Trade and Training, I'm a sport and Performance Psychologist, as well as the co-founder of

Compete to Create.

And the whole idea behind these conversations is to learn from people who are on the path of

mastery to better understand how the

extraordinarys think and do, how they organize their inner world, how they

organize their outer life to be able to experience and understand the nuances, both the mastery of self and mastery of craft.

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