Welcome to Karen Hunter is awesome.

And in this space, we have conversations that very few people have.

I love nuance, but more than nuance.

I really like to think deeply about the conditions that we find ourselves in every day.

And this is what this space is all about. So come on in. Leave your judgment and your closed

mindedness at the door. Open your heart. Open your mind and come on in and challenge yourself

to think more broadly. Hope you enjoy. I was feeling very hopeless, you know, that somehow maybe we

aren't going to get there. And maybe we still aren't going to get there. But at least you put

the work in to make sure that people know what's happening. And maybe they'll wake up. Maybe they'll

wake up. Let me welcome to the show. Let me welcome. He is, of course,

a medical doctor. An amazing, amazing, amazing book that he has. Can scientists succeed where

politicians fail? Let me welcome to the show. Dr. Peter Agri. He is a physician, a molecular

biologist, distinguished professor at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

and John Hopkins School of Medicine,

and Nobel laureate.

He has won a Nobel Prize.

Thank you for coming.

It's my pleasure.

I was thinking as I was reading your book,

how many geniuses or scientists were lost in the sea during the transatlantic slave trade.

I wonder how many scientists on plantations were lost because they didn't see the value in those human beings.

And you take us to Cuba in your opening and in your preface. And the

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