Welcome to Nobody Told Me. I'm Jan Black.

And I'm Laura Owens. And joining us on this episode is psychotherapist Dr. Paul Hochmeyer,

who has treated some of the world's most

successful people and is known as the world's foremost expert on celebrity identities.

He's the author of the book, Fragile Power, Why Having Everything is Never Enough, Lessons from

Treating the Wealthy and Famous. Dr. Thank you so much for joining us.

Well, thank you for having you on the show.

Tell us more about your background

and how you came to treat patients

who have power and celebrity and wealth.

Well, it's been a rather secure at its journey,

I had to say, and, you know,

I started my career as a lawyer.

I was a corporate bankruptcy lawyer. And boy,

I figured out in a heartbeat that that really wasn't the way I wanted to spend the rest of my life.

And then I went into the realm of philanthropy and I started working for environmental organizations,

the Sierra Club up in San Francisco and then Greenpeace International in Amsterdam. And so in that process,

I noticed how people of wealth and power were being viewed and talked about in a fairly

objectifying, or actually a very objectifying manipulative way. And I thought it was kind of concerning because, you know,

we're dealing with human beings. And there was, their wealth and their celebrity began to

eclipse their humanness. And so they were being viewed as objects. I was living in Amsterdam

and September 11 happened. And kind of as a white privileged male growing up in America, the security of my world had always been guaranteed until on that day it wasn't.

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