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Hello and welcome to for the wild podcast. I'm Ayanna Young. Today I'm speaking to Dr. Natasha Myers,

an associate professor in the Department of Anthropology at York University, director of the

Plant Studies Collaboratory, convener of the Politics of Evidence Working Group, co-founder of

Toronto's Technoscience Salon, and accomplice to Toronto's Indigenous Lands Stewardship Circle.

So the Plant Propose, which sort of de-centers the human, but actually centers the human plant hybrid

as the figure that should ground our actions moving forward, it allows us to take action in an

alliance in a form of solidarity that would seed livable worlds. And so in effect, we can't leave.

In fact, we should not dream about apocalypse. We need to thwart that as

dearly as possible so we can actually begin to aspire to something livable.

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