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Welcome to For the Wild Podcast. I'm Ayanna Young.

How do we make these structures work for all of us? How do we think about structural and

inclusion and structural belonging? I'll give you a concrete example. I use this a lot. It's like

we build an escalator to give people from one floor to the other, and then someone comes along

in the wheelchair. The system we build doesn't work for that person, and so it looks like that person

is asking for something special, but that person is asking for what everyone else was asking for.

The resources and support to fully participate in society as a person and as a human being to contribute,

but what people need to get there, what groups need to get there, will be different.

Today we are speaking with John A. Powell. John is the director of the Hoss Institute

for a fair and inclusive society, and professor of law, African American and ethnic studies at the

University of California Berkeley. He was previously the executive director at the Kerwin Institute

for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at the Ohio State University and the Institute for Race and

Poverty at the University of Minnesota. Prior to that, John was the national legal director of the

American Civil Liberties Union. He is a co-founder of the Poverty and Race Research Action Council

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