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On Purpose with Jay Shetty

Dr. Lisa Miller: Feeling Lost, Stuck or Anxious? (Use THIS Spiritual Framework to Finally Move Forward With Clarity)

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

iHeartPodcasts

Business, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.730.5K Ratings

🗓️ 18 May 2026

⏱️ 92 minutes

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Summary

What if the hardest moments in your life weren’t there to break you, but were actually pointing you toward who you’re meant to be?

Today, Jay sits down with renowned psychologist, Columbia professor, and bestselling author Dr. Lisa Miller to explore the powerful intersection of science and spirituality. Together, they unpack one of the most transformative ideas of our time: that spirituality is not reserved for the religious or the enlightened, it is an innate human capacity wired into every one of us. Through groundbreaking neuroscience, Dr. Lisa reveals how our brains are biologically designed to perceive that we are loved, guided, and never truly alone. Jay and Lisa invite us into a new way of living, one where anxiety, heartbreak, disappointment, and uncertainty are no longer viewed as signs that we’ve lost our way, but as invitations into deeper spiritual awakening.

Throughout the episode, Jay and Lisa share profoundly personal reflections on life’s “red doors” and “yellow doors”, the moments when what we desperately wanted fell apart, only to lead us somewhere far more aligned, meaningful, and expansive than we could have imagined. Through intimate stories, spiritual practices, and powerful meditations, they explore how intuition, synchronicity, and inner knowing can guide us toward our true path when we finally learn to listen. Jay opens up about protecting his purpose, discovering his calling beyond societal expectations, and the courage it takes to trust the quiet voice within. Lisa beautifully reframes suffering not as punishment or failure, but as the very catalyst that awakens us to greater love, wisdom, and purpose. This episode is a reminder that some of the greatest breakthroughs in life begin with the moments that break us open.

In this episode you'll learn:

How to Listen to Your Inner Wisdom

How to Turn Pain Into Spiritual Growth

How to Recognize Signs the Universe Is Sending You

How to Feel Guided When Life Feels Uncertain

How to Stop Ignoring Your Intuition

How to Stay Spiritual in a Busy, Modern World

How to Strengthen Your Spiritual Awareness Daily

How to Navigate Depression Through a Spiritual Lens

Maybe the answers you’ve been searching for aren’t outside of you, but in the quiet voice you’ve been too busy, too hurt, or too afraid to trust. Life won’t always go as planned, but sometimes the detours, disappointments, and closed doors are leading you somewhere deeper than success, toward a life that feels aligned, meaningful, and true.

To grab a copy of Lisa’s latest book, The Awakened Brain: The New Science of Spirituality and Our Quest for an Inspired Life, visit https://www.amazon.com/Awakened-Brain-Science-Spirituality-Inspired/dp/198485562X 

With Love and Gratitude,

Jay Shetty

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What We Discuss:

00:00 Intro

00:58 You Were Never Meant to Walk Alone

03:14 Why This Generation Is Craving Spirituality

05:24 The Life-Changing Benefits of Spirituality

06:11 The Hidden Link Between Spirituality and Depression

08:32 What Does it Mean To Be Spiritual?

10:46 The Shift That Makes Life Feel Inspired Again

17:05 When Life Stops Being a Plan and Becomes an Adventure

20:07 The Part of You You’ve Been Ignoring

21:19 The Missing Piece in Mental Health

22:23 The Two Ways You Actually Know Something

25:04 Why Your Purpose Isn’t Something You Find

29:09 How to Finally Hear Your Inner Voice

36:10 What It Feels Like to Touch Something Higher

40:51 Anxiety As A Catalyst 

43:52 What If Nothing in Your Life Is Random?

46:52 Learning to Trust Yourself on a Deeper Level

51:32 The Unexpected Path That Leads to Love

56:21 The Habit That’s Making You More Judgmental

57:10 Different Beliefs, One Aligned Relationship

01:02:53 The Subtle Sign You’re With the Wrong Person

01:04:59 The Truth About Money and Meaning

01:05:55 The Mistake That Keeps Spiritual People Broke

01:07:16 Why You Feel Stuck (And How to Get Back Into Flow)

01:10:20 How to Actually Ask for Guidance

01:13:06 The Real Source of Energy, Peace, and Clarity

01:14:15 The Awareness You Were Born With

01:16:16 What Happens When Kids Lose Their Intuition

01:18:08 Why Your Home Shapes Your Spiritual Life

01:21:35 Spirituality vs. Religion: What’s the Difference?

01:24:30 Why a Strong Spiritual Core Changes Everything

01:27:29 Lisa on Final Five 

Episode Resources:

Website | https://www.lisamillerphd.com/ 

Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/dr.lisamiller/

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast, guaranteed human.

0:05.2

A spiritual life is 80% protective against addiction, 90% protective against the epidemic of our time.

0:12.5

Depression.

0:14.1

Why should someone who's never considered themselves spiritual, even consider tapping into their spirituality?

0:19.5

Spirituality can fulfill our deepest calling.

0:22.7

It allows us to see where the universe is guiding us and then do something about it.

0:27.5

Do you believe everything happens for a reason?

0:30.4

Shift from asking, why is this happening to me, to how is this happening for me?

0:40.0

Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the place you come to become happier, healthier, and more healed.

0:46.7

Today's guest on On Purpose is Dr. Lisa Miller, psychologist, Columbia professor, and author

0:53.7

of the awakened brain. We're going to explore

0:56.6

the science of spirituality and how connecting with something bigger can transform your mental

1:02.0

health, resilience and sense of purpose. If you felt stuck or disconnected, this conversation

1:08.5

will help you see life through a more awakened mind. If you're listening

1:13.2

and loving the conversation, please do go and grab a copy of the awakened brain, the new science

1:18.6

of spirituality, and our quest for an inspired life by Dr. Lisa Miller. Please welcome to On Purpose, Lisa.

1:26.3

Lisa, it's great to have you here.

1:27.8

Jay, it's so great to be here. Your whole studio feels full of peace and love.

1:32.1

Oh, well, that makes me very happy. Thank you for saying that. It means the world to me.

1:36.4

My first question for you is, if someone was to listen to our conversation today and to apply

1:42.0

the things you share and say, how would their life change?

1:46.3

Immediately we can awaken to the reality that every single one of us is loved, held, guided,

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