Testing, one, two, three, everybody. This is Radio Free Mormon right here, broadcasting behind

enemy lines. We've got a very special guest today. This is RFM episode 4, 23. We have Dr. Julie

Hanks, Dr. Julie Diazavado, Hanks, to be precise. She's joining us today to tell us about recent events

in her life.

And what's going on? We're going to have a little catch-up conversation with Dr. Hanks. How are you doing, Julie? I'm doing really well. Thanks, RFM. Thanks for the invite. You're very, very welcome. And I have gone ahead. I've made a bunch of notes. I made about five pages of notes. Oh, wow. Or what we want to talk about today, or at least what I want to talk about with you today,

and you've been nice enough to go along with this. But here is what happened. I actually had to

make more notes on this piece of paper chip. Oh, my gosh. I'm not that interesting. Well, apparently,

you're endlessly fascinating. At least that's what Rachel Patterson says. He says

you're endlessly fascinating, sort of like an ant under a microscope or something. Okay.

Okay. But this is what I want to do. I want to cover three things, okay? And I'm framing this.

So everybody will know what's coming. Yeah. First off, I understand that there's been a shift in your relationship with the church

recently. Okay. I want to give you a chance to describe what that is because God knows that other

people have been describing it for you in ways that I'm kind of suspicious of. Yes. That'll be part

three. But the first part is you talking about you.

Second part is when you went on a podcast called Girls Camp a couple of weeks ago,

and I think that may have been the first time that you talked about this new shift in your

relationship with the church. Anyway, that's the second data point, right right then the third one is that as soon as

jacob hanson got wind of that podcast from girls camp he had to go into his own podcast about

you reading the church yes it's called called Julie Hanks leaves the church.

I have reason to even doubt the title of his podcast.

But go ahead.

Yeah.

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