Hey guys and welcome to episode 130 of the OcD stories.

And this episode I interviewed Dr. Jonathan Abramowitz and John's been on the

podcast before. It was a great first episode at least thought, he's one of the people that to me just absolutely

gets OCD, gets the inner workings of it, and more importantly the inner workings of the

therapeutic approach to treating it which the

gold standard as you know is exposure and response prevention therapy which is

part of CBT so I wanted to get him on again because I've since since the first episode I've had time to read his book which is getting over a CD

So I basically put out some questions that I got when I was reading it for him we discuss kind of the idea of a mini ritual and what that is.

We talk about the openness scale, which is how open are you to experiencing a fort, the importance of tracking and monitoring compulsions or

ritual duration in recovery.

I ask him the question that many people have and he writes this in a book which is I've tried

the ERP before and it doesn't work for me and I get him to answer what he would say

to someone if they said that and it was really fascinating answer so if that's a question you have hopefully that helps.

We talk about the importance of living a CBT lifestyle after treatment after therapy and I think that was an interesting take on kind of

of keeping information CBT while beyond you're done with with therapy.

We talk about acceptance of commitment therapy enhancing exposure response to prevention therapy. We talk about acceptance of commitment therapy enhancing exposure response

and therapy and also John gives a couple of his favorite act which is acceptance of

commitment therapy metaphors. I love act metaphors. I think they really help

familiarly shape kind of a philosophy of understanding of ways of looking at faults and tackling OCD.

So hopefully you all like those and there's a few listener questions

that you asked that I asked John

and then obviously at the end the usual questions.

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