Welcome to the Jefferson Fisher podcast where I'm on a mission to make your next conversation, the one that changes everything. If you feel like this looks a little bit different, because it is a little bit different. My family's up here around Nashville, checking out the area saying hi to some friends. And while I was up here, I contacted one of my very best friends and said, hey, why don't I just come and talk to you in your own studio? It is the one, the only, Dr. John Deloney. What's going on, man?

Have you ever? said, hey, why don't I just come and talk to you in your own studio?

It is the one, the only Dr. John Deloney. What's going on, man? Have you ever been on this side of the chair? I've never been on the side of the chair. This was fantastic. Yeah, this is awesome. So we're recording in the Dr. John Deloney show studio, which is way cooler than mine. I got to say, I really, really like it. Your team's incredible.

So it's been great to sit here and be with everybody. In case you're not familiar with Dr. John Deloney, not only is he a very good friend. He has somebody with two, not just one PhD, two PhDs. He is a best-selling author. He is a mental health expert. It's kind of a stretch. Well, I'd say expertise in crisis response and all things related to navigating anxiety. How'd I do there? Yeah, man. Awesome. Yeah. You got that off better

than I do. Yeah. Well, man, thank you so much for just sitting down with me for a little bit and having a

conversation. So biggest thing that you know in my podcast and my whole area is communication.

So one of the things I'm most curious about,

what are some of the things that we do in communication that make our anxiety worse or better?

Good question.

Probably we don't communicate at all. We hold it. And then we

imagine a thing happens. I get inside your head and decide why you did what you just did or why you

didn't do what you, what you should have done, what I think you should have done what i think you should have done and i have an

imaginary interaction with you and then i have a physiological response to that fight or that discussion

we just had that we didn't have right and so as i've traveled across the country i hear this the most

that people have that imaginary conversation in the shower.

It's the only time there's no phone, there's no nothing, and they're in there, and the hot water's shooting down their back, and they think to themselves, I mean, Jefferson didn't even

call. It's like, I do never a call, and then I'm off to the races. And so I had this imaginary communication

that I never have. And then you're just out there having coffee and I walk out and I am halfway through a fight that we did not even know we were in. You're like, hey man. And I'm like, don't hey me. And it's off to the races. Right. I definitely, I have those conversations in the car. in the car.

If it's quiet in the car,

you kind of just have that argument

out in your head

and you're like,

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