Hi, welcome to the pretty intense podcast. On the show today is Dr. Joe

Despensa who really needs no introduction. He is the most amazing human at getting people to accept the idea of getting beyond their body.

He really helps people with that transition.

He has retreats, he has books. He's on lots of podcasts and does lots of interviews so that you can help understand his work.

But let me tell you from someone who's been to retreats of his and his week long, he really helps you understand the power of meditation and the power of creating and that you are a creator and you're creating your reality every day by what you put your

point of attention on. We go unconscious when we start to use the mind and

when we're conscious when we're allowing for the flow of things to happen

and getting out of that thinking mind which only regurgitates and puts you in the

same patterns that you've already been in over and over and over again probably since you were a kid.

Super deep dive, great conversation about creating in 5D, the power of meditation,

knowing versus believing, and were the magic sauces and

manifesting and creating the reality that you want, and then essentially his

mission and what he hopes to accomplish. So enjoy the show, please hit subscribe,

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I just truly enjoy doing this show.

Let me hear your thoughts in the comments. And have a great day.

I remember you talking about that, like magic is supposed to be normal.

It's a side effect.

It's really the side effect.

I mean, I expect that when I meditate.

I don't do it for any other reason that really to shorten the distance between the

thought I want and the experience of having it that's the that's the grace that's the fun.

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