Hello, welcome to the pretty intense podcast. Today on the show is Donald Hoffman.

Get your thinking, Kapp on. He is a cognitive psychologist. He's a science author and he's a professor at the University of California Irvine.

His research is around consciousness.

So in the interview we talked about what that is, what is reality, what is this world reality, what is this human personal reality, and it just went off on a lot of tangents on just what that could be, what that is, what they're finding,

and to give you a little insight, like there are essentially like monoliths there are there are structures outside of this time-space reality that they have found but it's essentially like like looking at something you've never seen before.

So there are a lot of really cool emerging things. Like for

instance like that this table is not real unless you're looking at it like like

this table is not local, like this, this like glass is not

local, like it's everywhere and it's only there when you look at it. And so stuff like that.

So what we talk about is just basically what did that mean?

What it why? Why search to find these answers and and what is essentially the point of it all?

I hope you enjoy this thought-provoking conversation

about reality and consciousness

and how that plays into our life.

So enjoy the show, please hit subscribe. I'd love for you to

share your thoughts in the comments. This is definitely the kind of topic that

there could be a lot of conversation around so have at it.

Man, when did your fascination with consciousness begin because like when I hear you talk

I'm like I just have to keep listening?

Well it started in various ways. You know, first through a church, right? My dad was a minister. And so he was a fundamentalist Christian Bible-thumping kind of pastor.

So, but he was also, he had a master's degree in chemistry.

So he had both some science and a Christian version of spirituality and so there they're talking about you know there's

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