Hello this is Russell Brand on Under the Skin from Loominary a podcast on a subscription model

which let's face it has now been revealed to be the future this week I'll be talking to

James McCleary. James is a deeply experienced wisdom

holder expert facilitator and member of the Elder Council of the Inside Circle Foundation.

Inside Circle focuses on reducing prison violence, lowering recidivism and guiding

inmates through healing that allows for meaningful lives after release. He's the executive

producer on the documentary The Work Detailing Inside Circles Program in

False and Prison. I saw that documentary as recommended by the great film

excuse me theater director in Rixen

is for my god you've got to watch the work you've got to watch it

it's a powerful powerful documentary me and James refer to it a lot in this

conversation you got powerful energy this dude he's highly educated man with

degrees all over the place and He knows the score on Jungian psychology and 12-step

recovery and a lot of things. It's a very interesting conversation and I think that he's talking about ways of setting up ceremonial space for us to deal with the deep truths about who we are

Move from unconsciousness to consciousness move out of the sort of unaware

habitualized behaviors that condemn us to a life of, you know,

bland consumerism out of that into the kind of fire of our potential awakened existence.

Anyway, so I get bogged down.

Oh, sorry darling, or non-knot's cat off my leg there, come back in a new cat.

Hey, you're right?

Never mind all that for now. So, um, hey listen, if you're right, never mind all that for now.

So, hey listen, if you're not subscribing to all my stuff,

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