This is Leslie Kane and you're listening to That UFO Podcast.

Hi everyone and welcome back to That UFO podcast my name is Andy and I am joined on today's show by

Professor of Philosophy at Benedictine University where he specializes in the philosophy of mind aesthetics philosophy of religion and

phenomenology.

He is also the author of the wonderful unidentified flying hyper object, UFO's philosophy and end of the world.

I'd like to welcome to the podcast Dr James Madden or as I'll be calling him, Jim.

Jim welcome to the pod.

Excellent, thanks Andy.

It's an honor to be here.

As I mentioned before, I'm a big fan of the show.

So this was, this was a, I'm resisting the temptation to fan boy all over you.

So whatever that might look like like go for it.

Yeah, it's a weird thing for me still that people listen.

So actually very strangely happened in my work recently for the first time ever, my 95 day job someone turned up and found out I have this

podcast because someone told them and they were like oh I like UFOs what's your

podcast called?

And I told him and he was like, oh my God, is that you?

And showed me he'd been listening to it on Spotify the day before.

So yeah, that was a kind of weird one.

But yeah, less about me, more about the guests guests and it's all about you today Jim so I

I had an interesting experience similar to that it was literally two days after my

book on the phenomenon came out, a student in one of my classes that I teach, an

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