Hello, welcome to the Pretty Intense Podcast. I am your host, Santa Patrick, and today we have an extremely special guest, someone that I've been following for years and years. His work within the realm of trauma,

childhood and parenting, disease has just always blown me away and his name is Gabor Mate.

He has a new book called The Myth of Normal, a book that we start off by him explaining

why it took him over 10 years to write it, how much information he's collected over that time, and where he needed to get to emotionally.

I think that society at this point in time needs a book like this, the myth of normal, because what is normal?

And it should it be the way that we

see it right now or should it be different.

Gabor really challenges the institutions the patterns the mechanisms that have led us to the place that we are right now.

And so we talked about, you know, childhood parenting, talked about relationships.

We talked about society, what creates trauma.

He's just a really deep thinker, he's very honest, and he shared so many amazing stories.

I'm just grateful that he got to the point where he could write this book because it's

everything that we need. So enjoy this really deep dive with Gabor and thanks for

listening. If you like what you hear please hit subscribe and hit the bell Thanks for little bits that we put out there for you guys. Let's talk about what those myths of being normal really are.

How are you anyway? You have been on an absolute media terror.

Yeah, I've been sort of the book launch started in Vancouver, but it's going to be a week ago Sunday and I then I went to New York for four days.

I did a workshop here in LA yesterday and I, you know, yeah, it's on a bit of a tear.

But I can't complain because when you spent 10 years. like, you know, yeah, it's on a bit of a tear.

But I can't complain, because when you spent 10 years working on a book,

you're very glad when you have a chance to get out and talk about it, you know?

Yeah, well, that, that is something that came through so many times in the interviews is just how long this book has been sitting and waiting for you to write it and that it was difficult to step into that and also it's everything you've wanted to say so like what was that what was that what was the issue that held you back from writing it and then was there a moment an event something that

tipped it over and got you to sit down and I don't know if you put a pen to paper or you put your

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