Welcome to Nobody Told Me. I'm Jan Black.

And I'm Laura Owens. Most relationships have their ups and downs, whether they're between family members, friends, or coworkers.

Most of us don't like the down times because it's uncomfortable to be feeling angry or disconnected from those we care about.

However, our guests today, clinical psychologist Dr. Ed Tronik and pediatrician Dr. Claudia Gold say the conflicts in relationships are the keys to better

relationships.

And Dr. Stronic and Gold are the authors of the new book, The Power of Discord, why the

ups and downs of relationships are the secret to building intimacy, resilience, and trust.

Thank you both so much for joining us today.

Talk about a topic that we really

need to be discussing right now. Exactly. Thank you. There's so much discord. Yeah. Well, talk to us about

your own backgrounds and how you guys connected and ended up writing this great book together.

Well, since my story is first in the book, I'll start. So I'm a pediatrician and practice

general and behavioral pediatrics for many years. And I came to realize that even though I was in the

right place at the right time with children and families, often even from before birth, I didn't really have the tools that would help me to support families.

And there was a lot of experience of frustration and failure.

And then in a series of very fortuitous events, I discovered the field of infant

mental health and I began to apply some of the ideas that I had learned and had really

dramatic changes in my practice and had the good fortune then to learn about the fellowship

that Ed is the chief faculty of.

And I went and did the fellowship and then

joined the faculty of the program and continued to incorporate all the ideas into my work

and then it approached me about writing a book together and that's how we got here.

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