Hey friend welcome to the mere Christians podcast I'm Jordan Rayner.

How does the gospel influence the work of mere Christians, those of us who aren't

pastors or religious professionals, but who work as teachers, general contractors,

and astronomers.

That's the question we explore every week, and today I'm posing it to Dr. Deborah Harzma.

She's a world-class astronomer and the president of Biologos.

Deb and I talked about how to worship while you work,

even if you spend more time staring at spreadsheets than stars,

like Dr. Harzma does.

We talked about how thinking of today as rehearsing for eternity can change the way you work.

And finally, Deb shared three reasons why we need more mere Christians working in the sciences and other secular fields.

I think you guys are going to love this conversation with my new friend, Dr. Deborah Harzma.

Dr. Harzma, welcome to the Muir Christians podcast.

I am so excited to be here, Jordan.

I know we were just like geeking out over all these great scientists that have been on the show,

and now we get to add your name to that list.

This is awesome.

Oh yeah, this is great.

When did you know you wanted to be an astronomer? Were you a kid?

Was this later in life?

It was actually not until graduate school. I know a lot of astronomers it's when they're their kids and they're looking up at the stars or they want to be an astronaut

Now I loved math and science, but I think we got a book from the library about constellations and I remember

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