You're listening to The O. C.D. Stories podcast hosted by me, Stuart Ralph.

The O. C. D. Stories is a podcast dedicated to raising awareness and understanding

around obsessive compulsive symptoms. I do this for interviewing inspired therapists,

psychologists and people who have experienced OCD. Welcome to the OCD stories.

And welcome to episode 322.

And in this one I got on Dr Clarissa Ong and Dr Michael Tujic.

Clarissa obtained her PhD in clinical counseling psychology at Utah State University and is currently completing

her postdoctoral training at the Center of Anxiety Disorders at Boston University and

CBT team.

Michael is a licensed psychologist in the state of Utah

and a professor of psychology at Utah State University

where he co-runs the Act Research Group

with Dr Levine.

So, Michael has been on the show a couple times before,

specifically to talk about acceptance of therapy

or act for OCD, and I'll put the links in the show notes

to those episodes. But I got Clarissa and Michael on the show to talk about their new book, The Anxious Perfectionist. So in this episode we'll talk about what you'll find in the book. We discuss perfectionism, the research

behind the book, learning to use perfectionism when it's helpful and learning to be more flexible

with perfectionism when it's not. How perfectionism can interfere with therapy,

acceptance of commitment therapy as well as exposure and response prevention therapy

for finding the balance with perfectionism and so much more I'm sure many people with

OCD can relate to this character trait of perfectionism and if you do hopefully

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