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The John Batchelor Show

DPRK: UNIFICATION OR DISINTEGRATION RHETORIC? DAVID MAXWELL, @GORDONGCHANG, GATESTONE, NEWSWEEK, THE HILL

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 15 July 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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DPRK: UNIFICATION OR DISINTEGRATION RHETORIC?  DAVID MAXWELL, @GORDONGCHANG, GATESTONE, NEWSWEEK, THE HILL

1958 KIM IN BEIJING

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0:00.0

This is CBS, Iron the World. I'm John Batchel, Gordon Chang at Gordon-Gee-Chang. David Maxwell,

0:11.3

we're helping us very carefully with the careers, and there are headlines of the careers that are important to pay attention to.

0:18.3

David is the Vice President of the Center for Asia Pacific

0:21.0

Strategy. A puzzling headline, I have two gentlemen to help me interpret it, is South Korea.

0:29.1

Unification Minister says he does not agree with the view that North Korea is South Korea's

0:34.2

main enemy, instead calling the North a threat.

0:38.8

That looks very carefully to have been constructed to, in some fashion, say it in English.

0:47.2

However, I puzzle if there's nuance here that's important.

0:50.7

David, a very good evening to you.

0:52.6

You're not the main enemy, but you're a threat.

0:55.8

That is language that is purposely built to confuse.

1:00.6

What is being conveyed here by the new government's unification minister?

1:05.3

Good evening to you.

1:06.6

Well, like, good evening.

1:08.1

Good evening.

1:08.9

And like South Korea always finds itself in, is the shrimp among whales caught between, like, good evening. Good evening. And like South Korea always finds itself in is the shrimp among whales caught between superpowers and between enemies.

1:17.5

I think you're right about the nuance. And it is really targeting two audiences.

1:22.3

First is the naive belief that South Korea can engage North Korea and can be nice and conciliatory

1:29.4

and that North Korea will respond. This is Sunshine Policy 2.0, you know, that giving carrots to the

1:36.2

north, being nice to them, will moderate their behavior. The second, though, is the threat part is

1:44.1

a, you know, is being conciliatory towards

1:46.6

the United States and, you know, not diminishing the threat totally from North Korea. And so

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