I'm Naomi Klein and I am at Navarro Media right now having just done in a wonderful in-depth interview and this is why I love Navarro Media and I listen regularly and watch to find out what the hell is going on in the UK.

It is so critical to have independent media that we can trust that goes deep on the issues

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It's going to be especially important for your next election.

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Today's guest is one of the world's most renowned physicists. However, somewhat

unusually, he's just as fascinated by poetry, arts, politics as he is by science.

He says adept talking about political theory,

as he is quantum theory.

He can talk about Israel, Palestine,

but also the history of scientific innovations and discoveries made during the Baghdad Renaissance.

He has such an extraordinary range and I'm so so happy that we can have this conversation. Carlola Ravelli, welcome to Downstream.

Thank you very much for having me.

Are we going to talk about some very, I hope you don't mind me saying this,

strange, esoteric, complicated things.

Before we do that, could you just introduce yourself

to the audience as to your own personal introduction to physics?

Why are you a physicist? Why are you a scientist? Why are you passionate about the things you write about?

Okay, so... What do you start from? I came into physics late, so I've not been always passionate about science like many

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