Everyone agrees that Britain is in trouble.

You can call it decline, you can call it being broken.

Doesn't really matter. The story is generally a bad one.

People on the left think that, people on the right think that.

None of the above generally agree as well. The country's heading in the wrong direction.

Today's guest has been on twice before. He's from a very different part of the political spectrum

to myself. And it's fair to say most of my colleagues here in Navarra Media, but he's useful

in terms of probing, points of ambiguity, even potential agreement, and refining, my own

thinking at least, in terms of the big questions, not just today, but also in the recent past

as well. So with no further ado, I'd like to introduce the

Mail on Sunday columnist, and I think one of the best conservative commentators out there, Peter Hitchens,

Peter, welcome to downstream. It's always a pleasure. Once I found the place. Once you found

the place, the barber boys are back.

Yes, indeed.

You did indeed come here with your barber today, didn't.

I did.

It was okay this morning when I left home, but it's becoming a bit hot now.

Yeah.

I find this is the perfect time of you for a barber, April.

Because it might rain, it might be windy, it might be sunny, it's just a... Well, you wait till this afternoon. Try riding your bike in it.

You're going to get a bit hot.

You'll get hot.

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