Downstream: Democracy Is Under Massive Threat From AI w/ William MacAskill
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🗓️ 13 October 2025
⏱️ 96 minutes
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Summary
Artificial intelligence is set to be one of the most disruptive technologies this century. For some, a machine capable of augmenting its own intelligence is a matter of time — and could even arrive within a decade.
This week’s guest is philosopher and author William MacAskill. One of the leading thinkers in the Effective Altruism movement, MacAskill is the author of several highly influential books, including Doing Good Better and What We Owe The Future.
His work explores not only on how to live a life of purpose, but how we also shouldn’t discount the interests of generations yet to be born.
What new technologies, medicines, and workflows might AI invent? How could AI affect the distribution of power and resources across the planet? Will democracy, as a political system, be able to manage it? And what might it mean to live a good life in a world of intelligent machines?
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| 0:00.0 | The single most disruptive technology over the course of the rest of my life, quite frankly, is artificial intelligence, machine learning. |
| 0:16.0 | We can't be entirely sure about just how much it's going to change with regards to culture, |
| 0:21.5 | society, the economy, how we work, how we live, but it's going to be a variable. |
| 0:27.9 | Now, most criticisms of AI, I think, tend to be very conservative. Some people just respond by |
| 0:34.1 | saying, it ain't happening. Well, guess what? It is. And it's high time we had a |
| 0:39.3 | conversation, really looking at the implications of an artificial general intelligence. |
| 0:45.1 | Even if you don't think that's certainly going to happen, you should be considering it, |
| 0:49.9 | because the likelihood is non-trivial. Could it mean that capitalism is moot? Will democracy as a |
| 0:56.8 | political system be able to manage it? Would it survive? Those are precisely the kinds of questions |
| 1:02.9 | that today's guest grapples with on a daily basis. He's most closely associated with the |
| 1:09.1 | tradition of effective altruism, |
| 1:11.7 | inquiring about what a good life and maximizing utility looks like in the 21st century. |
| 1:18.4 | He's a philosopher, author, a public intellectual of the highest order. |
| 1:24.3 | William McCaskill, welcome to downstream. |
| 1:27.1 | It's great to be on. You are somebody who is |
| 1:29.7 | at the intersection of big ideas, technology, politics, all the stuff we love talking about here |
| 1:34.9 | on downstream. You're tailor-made for it. For somebody out there who's listening or watching who |
| 1:39.6 | isn't necessarily familiar with who you are while we're talking to you. Who is Will McCaskill? |
| 1:45.7 | So I'm most well known as one of the co-founders of the effect of altruism movement. So that's a |
| 1:51.4 | movement of people who are trying to use their time and their money in whatever way will do |
| 1:57.2 | as much good as possible, where that means thinking about all the problems that the world |
| 2:02.9 | faces, of which there are very many, trying to think, okay, between all of these problems, |
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