Today's guest has come out of prison last few weeks. It's not often we say that about

somebody appearing here on Downstreet. He was on-romand in a prison in London,

initially it was one's worth and he went to Pentonville in North London because he gave

a speech and that was considered to be conspiracy to commit a public nuisance, just giving a speech.

Now you might not have heard his name but you certainly will have heard of some of the

organizations he helped set up from Extinction Rebellion to Just Stop Oil. He's one of the most

influential climate activists out there and he has some really devastating and insightful

views around what will happen to our society over the next coming decades and what has to be done

if we want to avoid billions of deaths. Some call it hyperbolic, he would say if anything

he's making a conservative understatement. Roger Hallam, you were the co-founder of Extinction Rebellion.

You have been involved in protest groups like Animal Rebellion, Insulate Britain and Just Stop

Oil. Where did your politics come from? Well as a farmer for 20 years so I wasn't really involved

in politics for a long time. I was involved in social anarchist type activities when I was a

teenager and a peace movement and then I got into creating social alternatives this

would have called at that time by housing quaps and workers quaps and then that was why you were a

farmer or before? That was before I was a farmer. When I was 29 I became a commercial farmer and did

that for about 20 years and then the weather started going peculiar and so I lost lots of money

so I decided to come back into the fray. Why don't you become a commercial farmer?

Often that's something that people do because their parents did it. It's not like a thing you do

in your mid to late 20s. I like growing veg. And where did that come from? Don't know.

We're parents. Yeah that's my parents. My dad had a garden and stuff but I mean yeah it just

appears, isn't it? Sometimes you do things which you like and that's what I liked. I mean

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