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Hi, everyone. Welcome back to the show. All right, trigger morning for people not interested in

diving into your true nature or awakening realization. No self. These kind of topics just

click off. This isn't about COVID or medical stuff, so that stuff is for other shows.

If you are into that, here's a conversation about a almost two-hour conversation I had with

David McDonald. He is a 24-year-old Irish dude, an athlete at one point, Ireland's fastest man.

And since then has fallen down the same rabbit hole I've fallen down with into this

awakening rabbit hole where you're really looking at what is our true nature? Are we this little

self behind our head separate from the world and interacting with this apparently hostile environment

or is something else going on? So in this conversation, he had reached out and wanted to connect

because he's been watching me for a while with Angelo and others that he's interviewed on his show.

And when he sent me the email, it was clear like, oh, wow. Then I started looking at his videos.

This guy really sees clearly and he's on the journey and he's quite...

He's intellectually minded, which is similar to me in the sense that we want to find

ways to verbalize something that's entirely non-conceptual. And maybe that's a fool's errand,

but maybe it is the sort of finger pointing at the moon. And maybe it'll get folks to actually

look at the moon and focus less on the finger at some point if he just relax and feel into what's

being said. So without further ado, here's our conversation. We talk about the center of attention

and how it may be entirely an illusion and you can look for it and notice that it can't be found.

And then we dive down deep. So oh, by the way, I will also link to the video in the show notes

and to David's YouTube channel, which is excellent. Enjoy. I give you David, McDonald and I in conversation.

Zuban, as I just said earlier, thank you so much for your time. I really, really appreciate

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