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Money Tree Investing

Down The AI Rabbit Hole We Go

Money Tree Investing

Money Tree Investing Podcast

Stockmarket, Valuestocks, Investing, Finance, Passiveincome, Wealth, Business, Personalfinance

4.6658 Ratings

🗓️ 16 July 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Today we go down the AI rabbit hole. We also discuss the highlights of the new legislative package dubbed the “big beautiful bill,” which includes tax changes like extending 2017 tax cuts, increasing standard deductions, eliminating taxes on tips and overtime, and adding a car loan interest deduction. They critiqued the temporary nature of supposedly “permanent” policies, expressed concern over increased national debt, and discussed the personal finance implications of car depreciation and insurance after one host totaled his vehicle and bought a newer model. We also talk about the potential of lower interest rates. 

We discuss:

  • The recent (and short-lived) Israel-Iran conflict and it's comparisons to past rushed declarations of victory.
  • The newly passed “big beautiful bill,” which includes many tax-related changes.
  • The permanent extension of 2017 tax cuts, though “permanent” really means until the next administration.
  • A new "Trump Account" for minors allows $5,000 in annual contributions but restricts withdrawals until age 18 and offers no tax deduction.
  • Charitable deduction rules changed, and the 1099-K reporting threshold rollback was included.
  • Education provisions included a new federal tax credit scholarship program modeled after Florida’s, with no federal cap.
  • Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF) remains but with potential restrictions looming.
  • Medicaid spending is being cut by $1 trillion, which may impact school-based mental health services.
  • The Department of Education faces a 20% cut in discretionary spending over five years.
  • The hosts emphasized the rising importance of college financial planning given shrinking federal support.
  • Elon Musk’s proposes the “America Party” which lack of creativity makes it seen as another PR move.
  • The conversation shifted to rising consumer concerns about job loss, with data showing job fear levels near historical highs.
  • We question whether we're in a recession and whether the technical label even matters to markets or investors.
  • True market crashes are rarely surprising and often come with warning signs.
  • Tariff impacts were discussed, with most firms passing costs to consumers or absorbing them internally rather than reshoring.
  • Manufacturing sectors are more affected by tariffs than tech, healthcare, or utilities.
  • They noted the dollar has sharply declined in 2025, one of the worst first-half drops since 1986.
  • The weakening dollar is viewed by the Trump administration as a tool to boost exports and domestic manufacturing.

Today's Panelists:

Kirk Chisholm | Innovative Wealth
Douglas Heagren | ProCollege Planners

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Money Tree Investing Podcast.

0:04.0

Stock market, wealth, personal finance, value stocks, invest in your life.

0:10.0

Hello, Smart Money Tree Podcasts listeners. Welcome to this week's show.

0:13.0

My name is Kirchism. I'm your host. And today I'm joining with a very flashy Doug Hagrin.

0:18.0

Hey, Doug.

0:19.0

Hey, son's out. I don't have any guns. Guns out, funds out. Let's play. Happy Friday. And, of course, go bucks. Yeah, that's an important part of the shirt. For those of you audio viewers, Doug's got a very flashy shirt on today. Not the conservative financial industry kind of attire that most people wear, but Doug's unique today.

0:39.4

Well, many people say I'm unique many times, Kirk.

0:44.0

You're not just unique, Doug. You're very unique.

0:46.5

I'm very unique. Many people have said this before you. You won't be the last.

0:50.2

Nope, I certainly won't. Let's type right in. So, Fourth of July, I came and went. Hopefully everybody had a good time. I was up in Michigan. I went to see family. It was great. We're up in Lake Michigan. And I'll tell you, my ice bass came in handy because that water was real cold, but it was awesome. It was very refreshing, just beautiful out, just weather couldn't have been better.

1:11.4

And then we went down towards Buchanan, Michigan at the end of the trip.

1:15.9

We see other family.

1:17.3

So it was just an all-around great trip and glad we did it.

1:20.1

I need a little R&R, which I guess is best you can do that.

1:23.9

The kids got a little jet skiing in and tubing and all the fun stuff that they wanted to do.

1:28.5

I think it's good. We're back. Now my vacation begins.

1:31.9

For anybody that knows the area, Kirk, I have a question.

1:35.0

Did you brave, whatever it is, the $20,000, $30,000 fine or whatever it is that they charge you on Sleeping Bear Dunes if you go down and can't make it back up.

1:44.6

So I've been to Sleeping Bear Dunes in the past. It's really cool. But it's like going to the desert. I want to go to the beach, not the desert. So we didn't do that this time. But no, I was nowhere. But I could see why they'd find you because it was hell getting up there. So it's funny. is like you go up sleeping bear and then you're like, oh, I'm going to go over that hill and the ocean will be right there.

2:04.5

And then you, oh, that's not the end of the hill. And then you go up again, like, oh, that's not the end of the hill. It's just like keeps going. You keep thinking it's the end, but it's not. I did that like 10 years ago, 11 years ago's last time I went.

2:00.5

And I went so far, I'm like, F this.

2:02.6

I'm going back.

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