Douglas Murray on Hamas, Iran, and the Collapse of the Two-State Solution

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

4.4 • 921 Ratings

🗓️ 8 July 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

Drawing from intensive on-the-ground reporting in Israel, Gaza, and Lebanon, Douglas Murray places the latest violence in its proper historical context. He takes listeners on a harrowing journey through the aftermath of the October 7 massacre, piecing together the exclusive accounts from victims, survivors, and even the terrorists responsible for the atrocities.

Douglas Murray is a bestselling author and journalist. His books include the Sunday Times number-one bestsellers The War on the West: How to Prevail in the Age of Unreason; The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity and Islam; and The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity. He has been Associate Editor and regular writer at The Spectator since 2012, and contributes to other publications, including the Wall Street Journal, The Times, the Sunday Times, the Sun, the Mail on Sunday and the New York Post. A regular guest on broadcast news channels, he has also spoken at numerous universities, parliaments, and the White House. His new book is On Democracies and Death Cults.

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0:00.0	You're listening to The Michael Shermer Show.
0:15.9	All right, everybody, it's time for another episode of the Michael Shermer show, brought to you by, as always, The Skeptic Society and Skeptic Magazine. I'm your host, Michael Shermer, my guest today. Oh my God,
0:24.9	have I got a great show for you today. He is our returning champion, Douglas Murray, bestselling
0:29.9	author and journalist. His books include the Sunday number one bestsellers, The War on the West,
0:36.3	How to Prevail in the Age of Unreason,
0:38.7	The Strange Death of Europe, Immigration, Identity, and Islam,
0:42.7	and the madness of crowds, gender, race, and identity,
0:46.4	which he came on this show to discuss a couple years ago.
0:49.8	He's the associate editor and regular writer at The Spectator since 2012,
0:53.7	and contributes to other publications,
0:55.2	including the Wall Street Journal, the Times, the Sunday Times, the Sun, the mail on Sunday,
0:59.4	and the New York host. He's a regular guest on broadcast news channels. He's also spoken at
1:04.3	numerous universities, parliaments, and big arenas like the O2 arena. I recall that. I think that was
1:09.9	with Jordan Peterson, right?
1:12.2	An epic line up there and the White House. Okay, we have to hear about that. Douglas, nice to see you.
1:17.2	How are you? Very good. You back with you, Michael. Yes. And to see you in a non-social
1:22.0	setting here, this is nice, without adult beverages here to lubricate the conversation. So, you know,
1:30.3	we missed each other when your book first came out numerous times, and here we are July 1st,
1:36.7	recorded this. And it felt to me like your book was to come out, I don't know, six, eight,
1:40.6	nine months ago. And I looked it up. It was April 8th, just three months ago.
1:47.3	That's right. That's right. It's astonishing how much happens.
1:47.8	Yeah. It's a short period of time. Yes. On democracies and death cults.
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