Hello, everybody. How we doing? Hang on one second here. All right. So time is tight. We have exactly 20 minutes. So Deborah So and I are going to give it to you as quickly as we can. My guest today is Dr. Deborah Soe. She's a neuroscientist who specializes in human sexuality. As a journalist, she writes about sex, technology, health, and the politicization of

science. You may have heard of that. Her writing has appeared in the Wall Street Journal,

the Los Angeles Times, the Globe and Mail, and Harper's Magazine, among many others.

She's appeared on the Joe Rogan experience, real time with Bill Marr. The Daily

Wires, What is a Woman? Remember that film? One is a Woman? She's the only one who got the answer

correct. She's also been on Dr. Phil, the Megan Kelly show, the Michael Shermer show. Oh my God,

that's me. Okay, thank you.

And her first book was The End of Gender, of which she has spoken about at the Oxford Union,

and has been translated into six languages.

Deborah, nice to see you.

Hi, Michael.

Hey, before we get into our topics, could you just give us a brief overview of your thoughts

about sex and gender since that book was out because a lot's happened in that space?

Yeah, well, I'm very happy to see that my work has been vindicated.

And all of those years, it's been basically a decade of people calling me transphobic and horrible.

Turns out I was right all along, so

it was a relief. But I mean, I really hope to see the rest of this ideology finally die

the death it deserves because it's done a huge amount of damage to not just children who've

been basically brainwashed, I think, and manipulated in some cases into making forever permanent changes to their bodies.

Also, the effects that's had on families, on women's sports, women's spaces, women not feeling safe.

And I would say everyday transgender people who just want to live their lives, who want to transition and get on with things

and don't want to force people do anything they don't want to do. So, yeah, I on with things and I don't want to force people

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