Welcome to the Psychology Podcast, where we give you insights into the mind, brain, behavior, and creativity.

I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, and in each episode I have a conversation with a guest

who will stimulate your mind and give you a greater understanding of yourself, others,

and the world we live in.

Hopefully we will also provide a glimpse into human possibility.

Thanks for listening and on the podcast.

Conan is the CEO and founder of Conan

leadership, a mission-driven community of leaders and

learners who are championing leadership that works. He served as the CEO of

Campbell Soup for 10 years and is also the former president of Nabisco and

former chairman of Avon. He's a New York Times best-selling

author and his new book is called The Blueprint, Six Practical Steps to Lift Your Leadership

to New Heights. Doug, so great to chat with you today. I'm so glad we could work

out too. That's a reference to our listeners. We're having some difficulty

getting the Skype chat to work so we went we went through all sorts of different measures and here we are well this

is actually kind of relevant because your own your own journey has has not been such a straight path

to where you are today right it's kind of like Skype problems early in life, so to speak.

Yeah, well, I think we all have, and then we see people who have kind of worked their way through those,

and we just assume it's always been that easy.

In my case, it was quite the opposite I can remember.

My first performance review in my a satisfactory job but my boss's boss just had to review the assessment and then wrote

one sentence and in that sentence he said you should be looking for another job and that was my first

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