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All right. So we got another person, on to the episode. All right.

So we got another person coming on from New Zealand.

We won't necessarily say the location unless she wants to say a location.

But if you can first start off by talking about how you first heard about Doug Wilson or was aware of his influence on churches

in New Zealand. So we'll start with that.

Cool. I definitely came across Doug Wilson before I got married.

When my husband and I got engaged, we were given one of his books for our engagement.

Maybe another one for our wedding.

I honestly don't think I actually read much of either of them. I think the

intention was there because at that stage, Doug Wilson was someone who I'd heard of that was,

you know, a very clever man. He was respected, not amongst my in-laws and, yeah, possibly some more so than

others within the family. My husband's family is from America, all over America, actually.

I couldn't tell you where.

But yeah, they were reasonably conservative.

So when Doug Wilson, you know, became,

well, they became aware of him, possibly through their family,

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