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Hi, this is Hope. This is Parade. Hi, this is Katie from Washington DC and you're listening to me radio.

Matt, this is not a sponsored note, but I've been getting really into audiobooks recently. Are you an audiobook guy?

No, I'm not really. You know what my problem with audiobooks is that I, when you read and you zone out for a minute, you can just go back and catch what you missed.

It's so hard to do that with audiobooks, for me. So that's why I don't do them.

I hear that.

Podcasts is, okay, it's like okay to miss something. And if I put on Tony Robbins or something, it doesn't matter if I miss five minutes.

Because I've read it a hundred times. But yeah, so, but I appreciate them. I get them. I understand the kids love them in car trips.

Yeah, so my thing is I don't read that. I don't like to read books very much. I don't know for some whatever reason.

It's just never been something that I've connected with all that well.

So when I do read, I always try to read like really heavy, you know, empowerment and better help and not better help.

That's the smart thing.

Books that will help me become a better person.

Or a better employee or a better worker.

Personal development? Yeah.

Personal development. Yeah, that's the way I like it.

That's what I like better.

I know, I know. And so every time I read a book, I'm drawn to those books because I want to take advantage of that time that I'm actually reading a book.

And a few months ago, for whatever reason, I was out of podcasts. I was about to go for a run.

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