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Music trial at audiblepodcast.com slash xx. Welcome to the double X-gapfest for Thursday, October 31st, the juice cleanse edition.

If you're listening today, it's Halloween.

Let's hope none of you are dressing up as a sexy witch or a slutty waitress. If you're, you know, let's say if you're 30 and above, how's that? You have to wear a dignified costume. Is that like a rule or no? Ages. That's so ages. That's so ages. Okay. So even I can be a sexy witch. No. I forgot to say my name. I forgot to say my name. I'm Hannah Rosen, editor of Double X. I'm joined in New York by June Thomas. Hi, June. Hello, Hannah. And Noreen Malone of the New Republic. Hi, Noreen.

Hey, Hannah. You know, I am flying to Australia this afternoon. I have since learned that we have fans in Australia, which is lovely. Hi, all you fans in Australia. I am terrified. Good-day. I'm terrified for two reasons. One is because I'm on the other side of the world from my children, literally. Like if you look on a globe, I am literally exactly on the other side of the world. And two, because it's like the longest flight ever. It's like 20 hours. And I miss Thursday. Like Thursday's just

not there in my space time continuum. It's gone. And that's Halloween. So my daughter suggested I dress up

like a witch and pass out candy on the plane. Is that is that a good idea or a bad idea? She's trying to

embarrass you. Yeah. Oh, really? Wait to go. Which is like a weird reversal of what teenagers usually do, which is what they want. They don't want their parents to embarrass them. But if they're not there, carte wash. That's true. So she's playing a prank on me. So I would have dressed up like a sexy witch on the plane. I think that's actually like kind of a vibe that's in in general for winter as sexy witch. You just want to kind of like put that out there all the time. Okay. All right. I'll just, you know, sexy witch it up forever. Okay. Even past Halloween. All right. Our topic, sorry, our three topics today. First, rape victims speaking out for a long time. The conventional wisdom is that we should protect the identity of victims of rape, assault, or abduction. Now a few are starting to speak out. What are the consequences of that? Second, juice cleanses. Many of us have tried them. Some of us swear by them that they make us healthier, more focused, more spiritual, whatever. Does this have any basis at all in science? And our third topic today

is the rise of the lady business travelers and what new problem she presents to the travel industry.

Okay, let's start our first topic. It has long been a taboo in the press against using rape

victims' names, and in the 90s, the violence against women act enshrined this as a feminist principle.

The idea behind it was to protect the victim from being shamed from having her sexual history used against her at trial.

But many people thought the anonymity just enshrined the idea that rape was something so shameful that it couldn't be discussed in public.

Now a few victims are speaking out.

Daisy Coleman, the 14-year-old at the center of the Maryville, Missouri case, who came up in our discussion in the last podcast, has since written an essay in Ex-O-Jane in which she said, I'm nothing more than just human, but I also refuse to be a victim of cruelty any longer. That is why I'm saying my name. And Elizabeth Smart, who was kidnapped and held for nine months when she was 14, was a subject of a very moving profile in the New Yorker, where she told Margaret Talbot, who is a friend of mine, that her goal is to make talking about rape and abuse not such a taboo. Noreen, I'll start with you. I have extremely strong feelings about this, which I will keep to myself until I let somebody else talk. When you read Daisy Coleman's Ex-O-Jane essay, what was your immediate reaction to it? I was sort of shocked. It's not so much that she came forward. I think it's that she's so young and she came forward. And that is one thing that all of these girls share is that they are

pretty young teenagers. There were pictures accompanying the Exo Jane article of her, you know,

in her cheerleading outfit and she's looking so young. And part of it was just this visceral thing

that like it made me, it broke my heart all over again, what happened to her. But also,

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