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Hello and welcome to the Double X Gab Fest for Thursday, June 3rd.

I'm Emily Bazelon.

I'm here with Hannah Rosen and Jessica Gross, my excellent colleagues.

And we are all together in New York, which is very exciting for us. We are going to talk

today about the dismaying, flabbergasting split up of Alan Tipper Gore. And then we are going to

talk about the California primary races happening next week, in which Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorena,

two women are emerging as very strong Republican

candidates and will kind of morph into a conversation about who owns feminism in the context

of that election. And then finally, of course, we have to talk about the new Sex and the City

movie because we just have to. Because we're girls and there are three of us.

Oh, wait. There's the four. There's four of them. Oh, well, that's okay.

Hannah, tell me sort of what your initial reaction beyond just like complete bafflement was. You know, I can't, I feel like I have to zip my mouth about this because all, I sort of want to speculate the way you do when other marriages break up and people have affairs, but then all I want to do is not speculate because the gorse have just been this kind of marriage blank. I mean, I realized this morning when I was reading the papers that they've been married almost exactly as long as I've been alive. That's a really, really long time. And I know them a little bit. I mean, they're around our D.C. circles. Karen Agorra was an intern at Slate many years ago.

She's sort of a friend of friend.

I've been to parties at their house, you know. And they just see, I don't know what to say. You can never know. This hits me more at the level of personal life than it does of any political speculation. Like this is if you told me, you know, make a list of your friends and which one is going to get divorced.

And then the one at the bottom ended up being the one getting divorced.

That's the level at which I'm processing this. Like, this is if you told me, you know, make a list of your friends and which one is going to get divorced.

And then the one at the bottom ended up being the one getting divorced. That's the level at which I'm processing this, not the political marriage level. Because at that level, we all can say, like, oh, my God, the Clintons are not divorced and the Gore's are, you know. Anyway, how did it strike you when you first read about it? I just felt really sad. I mean, I met Tipper Gora once when she was really kind.

She's very interested in mental illness. strike you when you first read about it. I just felt really sad. I mean, I met Tipper Gore once when she was really kind.

She's very interested in mental illness and she did an event, an organization related to my family.

And she was just like the most lovely sincere person. And obviously, people like that get divorced all the time. It's not.

Well, she's wary, you know.

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