It's often the case on these that I talk to people that I sort of know but have never really spent that much time with, and that makes it all the more delightful for me.

Such is the case with Dune McKeekin. We had a great conversation. It didn't start well. She arrived in the studio with barely a whisper of a voice. And I think it speaks volumes for her that,

like the old trooper she is, she kept going. She said, no, I'm not, I'm not going to cancel.

And she came in. And we had a lovely, lovely talk. We kind of overlap a little in that she worked with

Steve Coogan early in her career on the day to day and on the hour. I came to him a little bit

later than that. So we had that in common. She was with us to talk about her book, which sounds

fascinating. Why don't I stop talking about Dune McKeekin?

And why don't I just let Dune McKeekin do the talking? This is one of those talks that we think

has ended and then we start going again. And then we think it's ended again. And it starts up again.

I hope you enjoy it.

Bryden and Doon McKeekan.

Today's...

Is there music at the beginning?

Yeah, there is, yeah. On the audio version, there's a kind of jazz thing which my intro, which I'll record later, goes over.

Okay.

And my intro includes stuff, you know, it's me saying, well, I had such a lovely time talking to do, and we talked about,

that seems to be a thing that you have to tell people what they're going to hear.

What's coming?

Yeah, which strikes me as a bit odd.

But in terms of an intro to this thing on YouTube, no, I just, I just, in fact, I have started, what we're saying now will be in it.

But there was no, no one shouted action. No. So this is, this is, this is,

this is all new for me. Well, I would say, and don't take this the wrong way, get with it,

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