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Donald Trump Wants to Divide Up the World With His ‘Friends’

Angry Planet

Matthew Gault

War, Politics, Conflict, Government, History, News

4.3882 Ratings

🗓️ 2 May 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Great power competition has gotten old for President Donald Trump—never one for a fair fight. He’s looking for a little great power collusion instead, dividing the world with his best buds, Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping. This kind of thing isn’t new, though, Stacie Goddard, a professor at Wellesley, tells us, in fact it’s the 1800s on repeat. Well, look how that turned out… World War I, anybody?


BTW, check out her terrific article on this in Foreign Affairs magazine.


  • Welcome to the Concert of Europe
  • The post-Napoleon party
  • A taxonomy of aspirational Germans
  • Retvrn
  • Strong men, weak world
  • Government by Mafia
  • What becomes of the “middle powers”?
  • The era of aging dictators
  • The long breakdown
  • Empire without ickiness
  • Turns out might does, in fact, make right

The Rise and Fall of Great-Power Competition


The Concert of Europe

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0:58.7

Welcome to another conversation about conflict on a very angry planet.

1:00.0

I am Jason Field.

1:01.3

And I'm Matthew Galt.

1:05.8

Joining us today actually is, we are really happy to have her.

1:07.8

Her name is Stacey Goddard.

1:13.7

She's a professor of political science and at Wellesley College. She wrote a terrific piece in foreign affairs. Can you just start off, Stacey, just sort of introduce

1:21.1

yourself a little bit and maybe just take us a little bit through what the article's all about.

1:27.4

Sure.

1:28.5

And first of all, Jason Matt, thank you so much for having me.

1:31.6

So I am a professor of political science at Wellesley College.

1:35.6

I teach international relations with a focus on international relations theory and international

1:40.5

security.

1:41.1

So the theory, the guns, the bombs, that type of stuff with a fair amount of focus, too, on international security. So the theory, the guns, the bombs, that type of stuff,

1:50.6

with a fair amount of focus, too, on international history, which kind of goes into the article. So for the last several years, I've been working on questions of great power competition

1:54.8

and international order, which has been, extremely relevant over the last decade,

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