Donald Trump's John Gotti Moment
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🗓️ 21 October 2023
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
As MAGA Republicans engage in extremist arm wrestling in the House Speaker race, and the sins of the 2020 election subversion scheme catch up with Donald Trump’s closest allies, Dahlia Lithwick is joined by brand new MacArthur “genius grant” recipient Ian Bassin of Protect Democracy to take a look at the stakes of this moment for American democracy. An attempt to walk and chew gum at the same time, Protect Democracy’s work focuses on the incremental ways the law can be applied to protect election workers and inhibit disinformation, while also looking to the big constitutional and cultural questions we have to answer if we’re going to reject authoritarianism.
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| 0:00.0 | You cannot have a function in democracy where representatives are choosing which way to |
| 0:13.3 | vote on a given issue at a fear for their lives. |
| 0:16.6 | You cannot have a function in election where election officials are carrying out their |
| 0:21.4 | jobs under fear of violence. |
| 0:28.8 | I am welcome back to Amicus. This is Slate's podcast about the courts and the law and the |
| 0:34.2 | Supreme Court and the rule of law. I'm Dylith Wicke and I cover those things for Slate. |
| 0:40.4 | We are finding ourselves right now in a really troubling moment for democracy, both home |
| 0:45.6 | and abroad. The news from the Middle East is devastating and the speaker's fight in |
| 0:50.1 | the House of Representatives certainly suggests that democracy as we understand it is failing |
| 0:56.1 | utterly to meet the moment. So it seemed like a good time for Amicus to turn back to |
| 1:01.2 | one of the godfathers of democracy preservation, my good friend Ian Basin. Ian has been stopping |
| 1:07.4 | by the show in these moments of wobbling democracy, often to point our listeners to what is |
| 1:13.7 | holding and what is teetering and maybe most importantly what we should be focusing our |
| 1:19.0 | attention on and what we should be doing. Ian is co-founder and executive director of |
| 1:24.4 | Protect Democracy. He previously served as associate White House counsel where in addition |
| 1:30.0 | to counseling the president and senior White House staff on administrative and constitutional |
| 1:34.6 | law, his responsibilities included ensuring that White House and executive branch officials |
| 1:40.4 | complied with the laws, rules and norms that protect the fundamentally democratic nature |
| 1:46.5 | of our government. Ian's writing on democracy and authoritarianism and American law has appeared |
| 1:52.7 | in the New York Times, the Washington Post, Slate, this very magazine, the Los Angeles |
| 1:57.2 | Times and the Atlantic among other places. And at the beginning of this month, Ian was |
| 2:02.5 | announced as a recipient of a MacArthur Foundation Fellowship, better known to us as the genius |
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