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🗓️ 24 November 2025
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By using the United States military in patently unlawful ways, Donald Trump is creating a military that is at war with itself, figuratively speaking.
Military members have a duty to obey lawful orders but an equally important duty to disobey patently unlawful orders.
Glenn spoke with law professor and military law expert Dan Maurer to discuss his important new piece titled:
"Fighting on Three Fronts: the U.S. Military's War with Itself."
Link to Dan's piece: https://open.substack.com/pub/dmaurer...
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| 0:11.4 | It's time for Justice Matters with former federal prosecutor and legal analyst, Glenn Kirshman. |
| 0:33.5 | Today, Glenn speaks with military law expert Professor Dan Mauer on his important new piece called Fighting on Three Fronts, the U.S. military's war with itself. That's coming up next on |
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| 1:47.3 | So, Fred, how good it feels. So friends, Donald Trump's lawlessness in the way he's using the United States military |
| 1:54.0 | is endangering our military members, our troops. |
| 1:59.9 | And Trump's unlawful killing of human beings in international waters |
| 2:05.8 | is creating a situation where the U.S. military is at war, at least figuratively speaking, with itself. |
| 2:17.2 | I just sat down to discuss this topic with law professor and military law |
| 2:22.3 | expert Dan Maurer, who authored an important new piece titled Fighting on Three Fronts, the U.S. |
| 2:30.6 | military's war with itself. So friends, I hope you enjoy this conversation with law professor |
| 2:37.9 | and retired Army Jag Lieutenant Colonel Dan Maurer. Welcome, everybody. |
| 2:55.9 | We have our friend Dan Mowerback, law professor, military law expert, international law, expert, retired Army, Jag, Lieutenant Colonel. |
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