I am so glad you could join us. I'm your host Mo Gaudet. This podcast is nothing more than a conversation between two good friends sharing inspiring life stories and perhaps

some nuggets of wisdom along the way.

This is your invitation to slow down with us.

Welcome to slow more. Welcome to slow more. Welcome back. In the first part of my engaging and

in lightning conversation with Donald Robertson, we started to cover stoicism in general.

We looked at how it helps in the current times of a pandemic and, you know, in things like anger management and so on.

And then we started with the four thoughts of wisdom,

which he spoke about from the conversation

between Plato and Socrates.

And from that, we've gathered why we should deal with challenges in a way that's very, very different than the way our world is dealing with the current challenges.

Donald Robertson is one of the world's top most authorities on the topic of stocism.

He's a cognitive behavioral psychotherapist and a trainer.

He's a specialist in teaching evidence-based psychological skills. He is a known

expert in the relationship between modern psychotherapy and classical Greek and Roman philosophy.

His therapy practice has helped thousands of clients

with social anxiety and self-confidence issues,

and he's also the author of six books and many articles on philosophy,

psychotherapy and psychological skills training.

His latest book, How to Think Like a Roman Emperor, the Stoic philosophy of Marcus Aurelius,

was a number one bestseller in philosophy.

The example I normally give about that is, you'd be sitting in traffic and you're a little late

because it's raining outside and you're completely zoomed in and focused on

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