Hi everybody. Welcome to Shift, a podcast about mobility. I'm Pete Bigelow,

your host and reporter to the Automotive News. Joining me on the podcast today is Don Burnett,

CEO of Self-driving trucking startup Kodiak robotics.

His appearance here is perfect timing,

because self-driving trucking technology is at once thought of as the most

practical first application of fully autonomous vehicles and some of the leading companies in the

space have watched their stock prices plummet in recent months.

In short, this is an industry in flux and facing some ever more daunting prospects.

Don's going to discuss those general headwinds and how Kodiak is successfully navigating this landscape and when he plans to pull human safety drivers from behind the wheel and commercially deployed driverless trucks.

That and more.

So let's get right to it today.

Without further ado, I'm pleased to bring you

this conversation and welcome back to the shift podcast,

Kodiak robotics CEO Don Burnett.

Don, it's great to have you here today.

Welcome back to the podcast.

It's great to be here.

You know, I think you are one of four or five to have a repeat on-core performance here.

So maybe we need to make a plaque or something to commemorate this.

That's a true honor.

I'm always happy to chat with you, Pete. Likewise. So a lot has changed since the last time that we talked on the

podcast. I think that was circa June or July of 2021,

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