Coming up on the Peston podcast after Dominic Cummings, extraordinary unprecedented seven hours of testimony against his former boss, Boris Johnson, against the government.

We'll look at is the Prime Minister incompetent?

It's a trivial question, isn't it?

Should the Health Secretary Matt Hancock resign after the charge from Cummings

that he didn't protect care homes, that he didn't get enough protective equipment, but he misled his bosses about what he was doing.

And how many additional lives were lost as a result of the Prime Minister's refusal in September to go for a second lockdown.

Cumming says it was tens of thousands. So I put all those questions and more to the member of SAGE,

scientific advisor to the government, John Edmunds,

been influential throughout the crisis.

The case for the defence is put by Robert Jenrick,

the housing secretary.

And on a completely different note,

I'm going to be talking about how to eliminate hate

from social media to top footballer,

former Manchester United star Rio Ferdinand.

And joining me throughout the show, David Davis,

former Tory Minister and John Ashworth, the Shadow Health Secretary.

I imagine I'll ask John Ashworth whether Hancock needs to resign, needs to quit.

We'll see what he has to say.

So all that in the Pestant podcast today, if I could just start by actually picking up, actually, what Chris Curtis said, the pollster.

I mean, it was absolutely damning stuff from Cummings.

But how much will it, in your view, damage the Prime Minister?

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