This is LBC from Global, leading Britain's conversation with James O'Brien.

Three minutes after ten is the time. A very good morning indeed to you.

Try and be a little bit more, not conversational. That's not quite the right word. What's the word I'm searching for today? I want to have chats rather than debates, at least to start with. Because if I said to you, pick between a rock and a hard place, that's not really a debate, is it? It's an invitation to have a conversation about which is the lesser of two evils. In this case, Dominic Cummings

and Boris Johnson, because the former has revealed more evidence of the latter's absolute

abnegation of anything remotely resembling a sense of duty in the context of tackling the

coronavirus. So that would be the moral corruption. Then, of course,

you have the incompetence that is now writ large across our islands and most obviously and most

recently in the context of opening up the clubs at midnight yesterday and a few hours later

announcing that actually come September, you're going to need proof that you've

had two vaccinations, two jabs before you can go into a club. We'll try and work that one out in a way

that once again, we'll at least pay lip service to the notion that it isn't just a complete skipfire.

And if it's not safe to go into a club without two jabs in September, how can it be safe to go into a club without two jabs tonight?

You see?

And I think we've all probably reached a point now where we stop thinking, maybe we're missing something here.

Do you know what we are?

Do you know what our problem is?

Too nice.

That's our problem. Keep thinking, oh, it? Do you know what our problem is? Too nice.

That's our problem. Keep thinking, oh, it can't be as bad as it looks. Too optimistic, too upbeat. Keep thinking, well, don't be ridiculous. You remember the flesh-coloured body stocking? I spent most of last year wanging on about. Actually, it was a year before. It was pre-COVID, wasn't it, the flesh-coloured body stocking. It was the idea that people still insisting that the

B word was going to be a brilliant thing could possibly be aware of things that the rest of us

couldn't see. And now you've got Lord Frost standing up in public and saying, that deal I told you was brilliant. Oh, it's awful. But I blame the other lot. Incredible scenes unfolding all around us. So the incompetence on the question of how it can be a good idea not to let people into nightclubs without two jabs in September,

but a great idea to let people into nightclubs without two jabs tonight. We'll try and wriggle our way through that one.

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