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Hi, I'm Anouche.

I'm Elsa.

And I'm Steven.

And on today's New Statement Podcast, we discuss Dominic Cummings and herd immunity and you ask us,

why is Liz Truss so popular with the Tory grassroots?

Well Westminster is holding its breath before Dominic Cummings appears before the health and science select committees on Wednesday morning,

but we've had a little bit of a taste of what he's going to be talking about.

One of his main claims is that there was very much herd immunity strategy for dealing with coronavirus,

which had to be sort of changed at the 11th hour, which is why the first lockdown was so delayed and is thought to have resulted in unnecessary deaths.

And he makes a lot of other criticisms of the government and sort of says that he's sitting on some explosive documents

that will reveal just how deep the mistakes were that were made in that period.

What is he actually saying that's very new, Steven, because I think from anyone who was following this closely at the time,

it's very clear that herd immunity wasn't in any way a secret strategy.

It was something that the ministers and government scientists were talking about openly at the time.

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