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Hamatakiapi, this is Nick Astis. You're joining the Red Nation live stream, and we have two

special guests. We have Jay Jeffrey Clark, also known as Jerome Clark, not to be confused with

the cryptozoologist. We'll talk a little bit about that.

And Dr. O'Elees Boxer, we're going to be discussing this book today.

It's called From the Skin, Defending Indigenous Nations, Using Theory and Praxis.

Thank you both for taking the time to join us today.

This is a conversation that kind of extends from a conversation that we started having. Well, I mean, I wrote the fore to this book, but also we were just at the Native American

Indigenous Studies Conference in Oklahoma City at the end of June.

And the conversation there, you know, it was, I'll just be honest, it was like,

it was really nice to revisit some of these things because the three of us came through, or went

through the trenches, at least is at the university that I got my undergrad and my master's degree

in history.

And, you know, we used to go to the American Indian Studies Association conferences that were hosted at Arizona State University in Tempe,

Arizona, where you're based, Jerome.

And I met both of you through the American Indian Studies Association, not to be confused

with the Native American Indigenous Studies Association.

There are two different organizations, a lot similar overlap, but also different orientations,

which we can get into.

But before I continue on and ramble, can you both introduce yourself?

We'll start with you, Elise, if you want to just introduce yourself and where you're calling from.

Yes. I am Elise Boxer, Namakota. I am Dakota. I am Dakota. I am from the Sissotin Wapitin bands from the Fort Peck of Sineboin and Sioux tribes.

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